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Oh, it doesn't smell nice at all! The vet proclaimed Lily the "winner" at worst anal gland smell!! I was SO PROUD!!!

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I think a key part of the instructions is "place a paper towel, tissue, or baby wipe covering the area to catch the secretion". Also, "Be warned that it can ooze out slowly or expel explosively on you and your surroundings"! My landlady said her dog will expel hers herself if she gets very nervous or startled, and once covered a whole exam room in her vets' office! It is not supposed to smell very nice, either!

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But, doing this procedure doesn't sound that bad to me! I would rather do it when needed, and not have poor Doodlebug have this problem again!

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When Lily had to have her anal glands expressed, I asked the vet if he could show me how to do it, and all he said was "Believe me, you don't want to know how to do it" and wouldn't show me!!!! I've had to do some pretty gross things in my life concerning my pets, I don't see how anal gland expression could be too much worse.

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My dh has tried it but wasn't able to do it very well. I think it takes a little practice to get it and of course our dogs are much more comfortable at home so they don't cooperate fully like they do at the vet where they are much more docile because they are nervous.

Once Carley was all healed we were worried it would happen again but it has not happened yet and her original episode was about 5 years ago.

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I am interested in any experience you guys want to share, so thanks for your input, Nighteater2! The instructions tell how to check to see if the glands need to be expressed or not, and do not recommend doing it unless they feel full. My vet did say I could do it myself, if I felt comfortable doing it. Since they cleaned it out while we were there, I am hoping it won't need done again too soon. I just don't want it to get too full again, because I don't want my poor baby to go through that again! Since I am currently unemployed, I need to conserve funds as much as possible until I can find a new job, so doing it myself sounds good. I guess I just wanted to see if any of you guys have done this and are comfortable doing it.

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From what I understand expressing the glands too much can cause problems. Just my thoughts, I would want to know from the vet how often and when to start, my concern is that she already had a rupture. I can't remember when Sahara's ruptured what the vet said to do as it never got to that point and we had to have them removed due to a hard lump.

With Mahalo we thought we were going to have that problem and the vet was going to show me how to do it but the change in her diet took care of the problem. If the stool is too soft the glands do not naturaly express when they should.

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My grandmother has had issues with this, and expresses the anal glands of her Scottie herself. She also taught a friend how to do it, because she didn't want her spending the exorbitant costs by getting them done at the vets.

I would think that if your friend knows how to do it, maybe have her show you how to do it, or be there when you do it so that you know you are doing it correctly...We don't have this issue with our guys, but glad she is feeling better!

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Thanks for all the help! Doodlebug is still doing good with the peanut butter, she acts like she knows the pill is in there, but she likes the peanut butter too much to turn it down! I will be glad when all the pills are gone, but she is feeling much better. I was given instructions by a friend on how to clean out the anal glands when they need it, is that something any of you do yourself, or do you take them to a groomer or the vet?

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Some very good suggestions here. I am fortunate in that mine will mostly just eat it with their food if it is something that can be given that way. One of the other things you can do with a dog smart enough to figure out that the pill is in the treat is to feed him a piece or two of the treat with no pill, slip a piece in with the pill and let the dog see you with yet another piece or two for him. The really greedy ones will not need this but some seem to be better at detecting pills and this method helps distract them a bit more. Whatever works!

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The pill pockets mentioned earlier are great! You might want to try them if the peanut butter stops working!

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In our house American Cheese is calld Dog Cheese. Don't make a ball just fold the cheese around the pill so the pill is in a pocket. Feed from above so the dog's neck is held high. If you have a picky one give a little cheese without pill first for a tease.

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Here is a product we have used to giving our dogs their pills. It's called Pill Pockets. I know Petco carries it. www.entirelypets.com/pillpockets.htm
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The peanut butter is working fairly well to get her pills down. I am only giving her enough to give the pill a good cover, and so far it is working, although she is normally fast to go for the peanut butter, and she is thinking about it since I have been putting the pills in it. Fortunately, the pills are very small! It has not adversely affected her as far as stomach problems or diarrhea. She is feeling much better, thanks to all for your suggestions and good wishes!

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I have also always given my dogs peanut butter with no problems. I put it in their kongs, coat pills with it, etc. My dh always give them the last bite of his peanut butter sandwich. I have several recipes for dog biscuits that call for peanut butter as well.

Some nuts are bad for dogs such as macadamia nuts and cashews. These are tree nuts while peanuts are legumes. And as with everything else, moderation key.

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My family has had numerous canines through the years, and none had a problem with peanut butter as an occasional treat, for training, or for medication.

Peanut butter is high in fat, so it needs to be given in moderation (or you'll give them the runs), but it's the salt and the sugar in the peanut butter that aren't all that good for dogs. A small amount infrequently is perfectly fine, although natural/plain peanut butters are even better.

The nuts themselves, though, from what I know, aren't good to feed to dogs.

If peanut butter wasn't safe for dogs (in general), it wouldn't be in all the products it is, and certainly wouldn't be recommended by vets for medication, training, or a treat. :)

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Hope your little doggie gets better soon. And I agree and would be careful with peanut butter too, my dogs can't eat it without throwing up.
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Penuts are not good for dogs, so watch the peanut butter. I would only give a very tiny bit.

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Cheez-Whiz also works well.

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I will have to try some of these! Doodlebug does love peanut butter, so that may work! She doesn't feel so feverish this morning, so she is definitely getting better. She is even playing just a little today! Thanks for all your suggestions!

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If you can get the capsules that open up you might be able to sprinkle it in something she really likes. Mine will eat anything as long as it has peanut butter on it, so we never have a problem giving them pills.

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I'm glad Doodlebug is feeling better. One of my dogs was sneaky about taking pills. I coated it with butter, then put it at the back of her throat, closed her mouth and blew in her face. Blowing in the face triggers the pup to swallow and the butter makes it slide right down the old throat.

Of course, Sonic is easy, just tell her it's a cookie and she hoovers it right down. LOL

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Would doodlebug eat yogurt? Right now Arwen is on an antibiotic, which I am opening the capsule and putting it in some yogurt for her (so its just the powder)

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Doodlebug usually would rather sit on the back of the couch looking out the window than sit on my lap, but tonight I have gotten to enjoy having the "lap dog" I don't usually have! I can tell she feels a little better, but she is definately still feverish. It was hard to get her to take her pill, I am going to have to get creative to try to hide it in something. She is an expert at sniffing out the pill, but eating what I had it in! I ended up having to hold her mouth open and putting the pill at the back of her tongue, then holding her mouth shut while I stroked her throat lightly until she swallowed. She gave me THAT LOOK, but forgave me quickly, and was giving me kisses on my hand within a minute. I think she knows I had to do it to help her get better! I really do hate it when my baby is sick or in pain! Thanks to all of you for your support and good wishes!

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It's supposed to be more common with smaller breeds than larger but I'm not sure if that is true or not.

Some groomers will express but I would only have it done by a vet, also I forget where I heard this so I don't know if it's accurate or not but having them express too much can cause problems down the road. I believe it came from my vet.

Sahara's ruptured a few years back, we went the antibiotic route, it healed but when examined for one of the follow ups we found a lump. They couldn't tell if it was scar tissue or a tumor so she brought in a surgeon who does the operation to remove them. $$$$ but worth the money because their are so many nerve endings there.

Mahalo had a problem with letting loose her glands....stunk...anyway, when we went to adult food and also added the pumpkin it (knock on wood) has stopped.

I'm SO HAPPY Doodlebug is okay, I was worried when I read your post!

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I hope your Doodlebug will recover soon. I too am surprised your vet would not see her immediately.

I've had dogs all my life (mostly large breeds, but now I have two beagles) and hever heard of this anal gland cleaing until my niece told me her 9 month old
6 lb puppy had the same problem.

Is this something that is common with small breeds?
What are the symptoms fo this and how can you tell tell when your dog has this problem?



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We are hoping that all goes well now for Doodlebug!-the medication should take care of it.
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Sending healing and positive thoughts your way and I hope this heals up on its own. We just spent $5000 we didn't have on Fivo, the 7 year old GSD, when he severaly herniated a disc in his back in March.

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Well we just got home from the vet - it's a ruptured anal gland! He cleaned it out as well as possible, and injected some antibiotic up inside it, and she has to take an antibiotic twice a day. He said we will need to leave it open and draining, and hopefully it will heal up OK. If not, they may have to do something else. Since I am still unemployed, I am praying it will heal up on it's own! She is still obviously not feeling well, but is not shaky and agitated now, so I think it must feel somewhat better since he cleaned it out. He said it is not that unusual for her to not have any symptoms before it got bad enough to rupture! Thank you for all your thoughts and well-wishes! We really appreciate your support!
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I sure hope she's o'kay! First thought I had was "hot spot". Glad you were able to get her to the vet... they will know what to do.

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Awww poor baby! I am very glad to hear you got an appointment today. I hope she's alright and am anxiously awaiting your post to hear how she is doing.

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Our Stella has had repeated butt gland problems. We now add human fiber, benefiber, to her diet. Seems to work great. We feed grain free food which is rather low in fiber. We've been problem free for a while.

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Sending good thoughts your way...hope Doodlebug will be fine. So glad you got to get in there this very afternoon...with this a holiday weekend and all. Anxious to get an update on your baby's problem.

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My thoughts are with you and Doodlebug. Glad you are able to take her to the vet and hope it's something simple and easy to fix.

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My thoughts are with you and Doodlebug... Brady (my small mix) had ruptered glands, similar to what Nancy was describing.... no notice at all. Once the vet shaved the area.. it looked awful! But healed up pretty quickly. No problems since..

Let us know how it goes! I'm glad that the vet made room. I'm really "pushy".. so I just drive up there and tell them I'm sitting until seen.... LOL! But..they know me up there too. That may help.

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Hope everything is alright...

It also surprises me your vet wouldn't get you in right away, if we have any concerns, we either talk to the vet (to find out if we should come in) or one of the girls just gives us an appointment.

Like today we called the vet, because Arwen was having some puss from a couple of her nipples (because of mastitis) and some odd bruising...We called a little after 8am, and they saw us before 9am - partly because this is when they are less busy (they don't want too many dogs around with a nursing mom and puppies who haven't had shots since they are only 8 days old)...

Sending positive thoughts your way, and hope it isn't too serious

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This is a serious matter, and I do hope Doodlebug will be okay.

On a lighter note on this subject though, here is a true funny:

First a little background. My daughter had planned to be a vet, but during college she worked in several vet offices part time and decided that she couldn't handle the sadness of it. However, she is a pet nurse now at Pet Smart. Anyway, she got married her Junior year of college to a guy who is partially blind. They adopted a dog from the Humane Society where my daughter was working and that dog, while much better now, was very timid at first. They had made great progress with her when Crystal (my daughter) brought home one of those rolling chairs they use in offices. Now, Raven (the dog), is one that needs her anal glands cleaned pretty often.

Okay, so Brian (Crystal's hubby) decided it would be fun to run with the rolling the chair up the hall towards Raven. That poor dog paniced and ended up spraying her anal glands all over the wall! Crystal was livid at Brian and made him clean it up. Brian kept asking if he'd gotten it all (now, remember, he's partially blind), and Crystal told him he'd have to SMELL the wall to make sure it was clean!! I don't think my son-in-law will be picking on the dogs anymore. LOL!

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Poochie is experiencing the same problem right now. Had him to the vet after two days of not being able to poopie. The glands were expelled and he is on medication ( he then was able to go) but now two days have gone by again without results so will have to take him in again. Scary indeed!

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My thoughts and prayers are with you and Doodlebug!!

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Thanks goodness you can take her in today.

My Carley had both her anal glands rupture open through the skin. They were both very infected and impacted. She gave us absolutely NO signs or symptoms. The only thing I had noticed the day before was that her poop was very thin. The next morning I took her out to go potty and as she was trying to poop, they broke open and it was very bloody. We just put her in the car and took her to the vet - didn't even call first!

They shaved the area and tried to express the glands.Some came out, but mostly it was pretty solid so they put her on antibiotics and sent us home to hold warm compresses to her behind to soften it up and get that stuff out of there. My poor baby, every time we would walk up to her she would lay down and roll over so we could get to her butt!! She is such a good girl.

After a week or so we took her back, but unfortunately the sacs kept filling up which meant that the opening inside was blocked. The vet wanted to do surgery to remove the glands. I was totally against this, especially as a first option. We ended up taking her to our old vet about 75 miles away and he did a procedure where he fished a curved needle through the glands to open the blockage. Then he administered antibiotics directly into the glands and sent us home with more antibiotics. She has been completely fine since then with no more episodes. That was about 5 years ago.

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When I first called the vet, their computers were down, so they couldn't even make any appointments, but they were back up when I called back, and Doodlebug has an appointment at 2:15! Thanks for all your good wishes! I will let you know what the vet says.

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good luck and hope she feel better real oon.

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Since she is shaking, hot and the other symptoms that she is showing, is there an emergency vet hospital you can take her to?

Good luck, hope she is better soon.

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If the stains are super stinky, it probably is an anal gland problem. Is there another vet in the area that will take you as a walk in? I can`t believe your vet won`t make room for something like that.

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This morning I found some stains on the sheet, and Doodlebug left some stains on me when she climbed on my lap, too. She has a swollen, hot infected looking area on her behind. She feels hot all over, and is very clingy and shaky, which is NOT like her! I called the vet, and they can't get her in till tomorrow! I don't know what this could be, and it has me really scared! Does anyone know what this might be? My friend thinks it might be a ruptured anal gland. She had them cleaned out about 2 months ago, that is the only time she has ever had them done. This has never been an issue with her, she doesn't scoot on the floor or lick at the area normally, so I don't know what to think. Of course, now I am having trouble keeping her from licking at it! What can I do to help her till I can get her into the vet?

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